tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post8043557403089901356..comments2024-01-24T11:15:02.475-06:00Comments on Sen Sen No Sen: Finally, Politics for Grown-UpsPBIhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05643553811799195520noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-45835589511993446282008-03-31T11:24:00.000-05:002008-03-31T11:24:00.000-05:00Good post, PBI.Good post, PBI.amy * stem *https://www.blogger.com/profile/05483583827363830573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-4254635301052017422008-03-21T09:30:00.000-05:002008-03-21T09:30:00.000-05:00I disagree. As he has said, Senator Obama has loo...I disagree. <BR/><BR/>As he has said, Senator Obama has looked to Pastor Wright for spiritual guidance; not political, and I think his statements about not being able to disown Jeremiah Wright anymore than he can disown his grandmother are valid. (And I am very happy at the prospect of a president with separate political and spiritual agendas.) My own grandfather, for instance, was known to make racist remarks, but my father is his own man, and raised me to judge people by the content of their characters, not the color of their skin. (Or their religion.) Just because my grandfather said some things with which I totally disagree doesn't mean that I have to accept somebody else's declaration that I need to disown him, or that - when he was alive - I was somehow either whoring myself or radicalizing myself by being in his presence. I have my own mind, and I think Senator Obama very clearly does, too.<BR/><BR/>By accounts that I have read, Pastor Wright's most inflammatory statements have been relatively recent - basically post 9/11 - so I'm not sure that declaring that by being around him, Senator Obama "has been a radical for 20 years" can be said credibly. Even if it could be however, as I address in my post, I think the idea that he would lead some sort of radical black agenda - or that he even COULD, given Congress and other impediments - once in office, is hard to accept as viable. There is nothing in his political record or his own words to suggest it, and there would be nothing gained for him personally by doing so.<BR/><BR/>In closing, I think that Senator Obama has plenty more to offer than simply "not being a whore," but given your observations about the remaining field of candidates, let me ask you, for whom do you think you will vote, and why?PBIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05643553811799195520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-86456397980500739702008-03-20T23:19:00.000-05:002008-03-20T23:19:00.000-05:00Let me elaborate on the "bunch of crap". I did rea...Let me elaborate on the "bunch of crap". I did read the part of the statement that you have quoted. I also read the "I cannot disown" part as well, which totally negates the first part. However, even if we were to entertain the sincerity of Obama's "condemnation" of Wright's statement, that makes him either a radical or a moron for the last 20 years or a total whore now. Personally, I prefer the total whore, because it is expected of the politicians (God knows both Clinton and McCain are), but not being a whore was the ONLY thing that Obama had going for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-40384469741456122832008-03-20T21:57:00.000-05:002008-03-20T21:57:00.000-05:00First, I share your view of McCain, I think he eit...First, I share your view of McCain, I think he either agrees, or doesn't care enough to disagree.<BR/><BR/>Second, I'd like to keep the tone here a little less on the personally aggressive side, and would ask you to do the same. If you're trying to convince me that your position is the correct one, declaring my own position - which I can certainly support (and will below) - "a bunch of crap" is probably not the most successful method of doing so. In any case, here is a paragraph from Mr. Obama's <A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html" REL="nofollow">recent article</A> at <I>The Huffington Post</I>:<BR/><BR/><I>Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.</I><BR/><BR/>Your comments lead me to believe strongly that you haven't read either the speech he gave Tuesday or the blog post I referenced above; I would urge you to do so. Even if you have however, if you will only be satisfied with "I curse the day I met that racist fuck" that's not ever going to be delivered, nor do I believe it should have to be; what is expressed in the preceding quote - and in the speech he gave Tuesday - is explicit, clear, and unequivocal. But then, as I wrote in the post's title, Senator Obama appears to be pursuing politics for grown-ups, something I value far more than any need to have the candidate attain what seems to me to be an arbitrary level of shrillness.PBIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05643553811799195520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-75333641386624992152008-03-20T14:08:00.000-05:002008-03-20T14:08:00.000-05:00"John McCain has not addressed the views of his re..."John McCain has not addressed the views of his religiously bigoted supporters"<BR/><BR/>Which leads us to believe that he agrees with them<BR/><BR/>"Senator Obama has already renounced Pastor Wright."<BR/><BR/>That's a bunch of crap. Unless he says something to the effect "I curse the day I met that racist fuck" that is not a renunciation, but rather an explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29223331.post-44511578239638106422008-03-20T11:02:00.000-05:002008-03-20T11:02:00.000-05:00MAS,Thanks for stopping by.While John McCain has n...MAS,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by.<BR/><BR/>While John McCain has not addressed the views of his religiously bigoted supporters at all, Senator Obama has already renounced Pastor Wright. Is there something else he should be doing? Or did you not watch his speech?PBIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05643553811799195520noreply@blogger.com